To All:
Here is the consensus on the clues form we discussed a while back.
5 or 6 people did respond and gave input. Simplicity is what's
most desired. One person expressed an interest in selecting fonts
and color, but for the most part people just want it to be plain
and simple.
You can find a simple sample form here:
http://www.pclink.com/elf/testform.htm
This represents the gist of how it would work. I believe with
modern email programs this form can be sent to someone by email.
Or else it may just be referenced as a web page. Either way, once
you have the form up on your screen you would just fill it out
and then click on the Publish button at bottom.
I'm not quite sure yet how the mapping will work. I think if you
type the nearest city and state in as the location that will be
enough information to programmatically bring up a map on your
finished page.
With this system the page will come up pre-formatted. You will
not have the ability to customize the layout, colors, etc. That
is the drawback of having a simple form. But for those of you
who are interested there are other tools available that may be
used for customization. You would have to let me know so I can
tell you where to get these tools, show you how to use them,
force you to read a disclaimer and then give you access to the
server. Sound complicated? So-so.
My desire, if it is possible, after publishing the information,
would be for the program to take you to the finished page so you
can view it and determine if its what you want. If not, you could
then go back to the form to make additional edits.
Bear in mind that this will probably not go into effect for a
while. I will need help in the design and implementation long
before this can be used. And there are (yuk!) legal issues to
be considered as well. I think the header of this form will
have to be a disclaimer similar to our other one, this time
geared toward the provider of clues and the publisher. Or else
we would have a link something like this on the form: "Before
submitting your clues read the waiver of responsibility and
disclaimer for clues writers and publishers." The link would
then take you to the actual disclaimer. That's how the disclaimer
on our clues pages works and it seems to suffice.
Thank you for your input. Its very much appreciated.
-Dan
Ps. The items on this form can be changed. It is just a sample
to show what a simple form looks like. We can go through as many iterations as
necessary to determine what the final form will look
like and even how it will function. But that may not be for a few months.
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[L-USA] Clues form
From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) |
Date: 1999-01-18 22:38:37 UTC-06:00
[L-USA] Re: Clues form
From: Steven Stary (kurrwic@yahoo.com) |
Date: 1999-01-19 13:42:17 UTC-08:00
Instead of just plugging in the nearest city for a map (as some of our
nearest cities will be far from the letterboxes) could we have a blank
for latitude and longitude? If a link can bring us to the tiger map,
we can determine lat. and long. for ourselves and then stick that in
the letterbox clue form, thus generating the map. I hope that's easy
to do, if not... well then, I guess I'll have to live with it!
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nearest cities will be far from the letterboxes) could we have a blank
for latitude and longitude? If a link can bring us to the tiger map,
we can determine lat. and long. for ourselves and then stick that in
the letterbox clue form, thus generating the map. I hope that's easy
to do, if not... well then, I guess I'll have to live with it!
Steven
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[L-USA] Re: Clues form
From: elf (elf@pclink.com) |
Date: 1999-01-19 15:54:21 UTC-06:00
Steven Stary wrote:
> Instead of just plugging in the nearest city for a map (as some of our
nearest cities will be far from the letterboxes) could we have a blank
for latitude and longitude? If a link can bring us to the tiger map,
we can determine lat. and long. for ourselves and then stick that in
the letterbox clue form, thus generating the map. I hope that's easy
to do, if not... well then, I guess I'll have to live with it!
Steven
>
> That's a good point to bring up Steve. I wonder if there should be a
> separate button off
> to the side that would let you work with maps (or the Tiger Map
> Surfer). The location
can mean a map center (whether its a lat./long. or a city) or it can
just mean where you
drive to to start out your hunt.
I think with a little programming I can make the system interpret if it
is a Lat./long. or a
city name. That way you could enter either value into the same field.
That way the form
could still remain simple.
> If anyone else has any thoughts please jump in.
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> Instead of just plugging in the nearest city for a map (as some of our
nearest cities will be far from the letterboxes) could we have a blank
for latitude and longitude? If a link can bring us to the tiger map,
we can determine lat. and long. for ourselves and then stick that in
the letterbox clue form, thus generating the map. I hope that's easy
to do, if not... well then, I guess I'll have to live with it!
Steven
>
> That's a good point to bring up Steve. I wonder if there should be a
> separate button off
> to the side that would let you work with maps (or the Tiger Map
> Surfer). The location
can mean a map center (whether its a lat./long. or a city) or it can
just mean where you
drive to to start out your hunt.
I think with a little programming I can make the system interpret if it
is a Lat./long. or a
city name. That way you could enter either value into the same field.
That way the form
could still remain simple.
> If anyone else has any thoughts please jump in.
Dan
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[L-USA] Re: Clues form
From: (Letterboxr@aol.com) |
Date: 1999-01-20 10:30:46 UTC-05:00
elf@pclink.com writes:
> I think with a little programming I can make the system interpret if it
> is a Lat./long. or a
> city name. That way you could enter either value into the same field.
> That way the form could still remain simple.
>
> If anyone else has any thoughts please jump in.
Hey, Dan!
First off, let me say the sample form looks great and would be a wonderful way
to get the data where it needs to be.
Regarding the city name vs. coordinates issue, I can see reasons for having
both inputs. Then I can list the nearest city, and (in case you can't figure
out where in the heck Glade, Kansas is) also have the option of inputing the
lat. & long.
Is this overkill?
Also, perhaps the form could ask for some specific comments, such as
Difficulty Rating?
Keep up the good work,
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> I think with a little programming I can make the system interpret if it
> is a Lat./long. or a
> city name. That way you could enter either value into the same field.
> That way the form could still remain simple.
>
> If anyone else has any thoughts please jump in.
Hey, Dan!
First off, let me say the sample form looks great and would be a wonderful way
to get the data where it needs to be.
Regarding the city name vs. coordinates issue, I can see reasons for having
both inputs. Then I can list the nearest city, and (in case you can't figure
out where in the heck Glade, Kansas is) also have the option of inputing the
lat. & long.
Is this overkill?
Also, perhaps the form could ask for some specific comments, such as
Difficulty Rating?
Keep up the good work,
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[L-USA] Re: Clues form
From: elf (elf@pclink.com) |
Date: 1999-01-20 11:10:17 UTC-06:00
Letterboxr@aol.com wrote:
> >Regarding the city name vs. coordinates issue, I can see reasons for having
>both inputs. Then I can list the nearest city, and (in case you can't figure
>out where in the heck Glade, Kansas is) also have the option of inputing the
>lat. & long.
>Is this overkill?
No, I don't think its overkill. I'm just wondering if it should be part of
a separate function for mapping. The form would be for the basic information
and we could perhaps have a button off to the side for maps & lat./long.
What do you think of that?
>Also, perhaps the form could ask for some specific comments, such as
>Difficulty Rating?
Yes, I think other people have wanted that too. What should it say?
It could just be a blank field like the rest.
Really, I think people could put in there "Cake walk, Easy, Medium, Hard,
Extra Hard, Treacherous, Don't go here unless your a fool, Etc."
How does that sound?
Daniel
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> >Regarding the city name vs. coordinates issue, I can see reasons for having
>both inputs. Then I can list the nearest city, and (in case you can't figure
>out where in the heck Glade, Kansas is) also have the option of inputing the
>lat. & long.
>Is this overkill?
No, I don't think its overkill. I'm just wondering if it should be part of
a separate function for mapping. The form would be for the basic information
and we could perhaps have a button off to the side for maps & lat./long.
What do you think of that?
>Also, perhaps the form could ask for some specific comments, such as
>Difficulty Rating?
Yes, I think other people have wanted that too. What should it say?
It could just be a blank field like the rest.
Really, I think people could put in there "Cake walk, Easy, Medium, Hard,
Extra Hard, Treacherous, Don't go here unless your a fool, Etc."
How does that sound?
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[L-USA] Re: Clues form
From: (Letterboxr@aol.com) |
Date: 1999-01-20 23:48:27 UTC-05:00
elf@pclink.com writes:
> The form would be for the basic information
> and we could perhaps have a button off to the side for maps & lat./long.
> What do you think of that?
Works for me.
> >Difficulty Rating?
> Yes, I think other people have wanted that too. What should it say?
> It could just be a blank field like the rest.
> Really, I think people could put in there "Cake walk, Easy, Medium, Hard,
> Extra Hard, Treacherous, Don't go here unless your a fool, Etc."
> How does that sound?
You could either have a blank where they could input whatever they wanted, or
you could standardize a bit more by providing radio buttons where they select
either Easy, Moderate, Difficult, or Very Difficult (or something like that)
for each of two categories: Terrain and Clues. Such a form might not be as
clean and simple to look at as one with blank spaces, but might be easier to
fill out. For me, a blank space can be intimidating when I'm not sure how to
fill it. It's easier just to click the button that applies. (This is how I
handled the membership form for my own website at
http://members.aol.com/catsdice )
I agree with Erik that it would be a nice option to be able to attach stamp
images. His idea about being able to designate when several boxes belong to a
series deserves consideration, as well.
Dan, thanks for your continuing efforts to take everyone's ideas into account.
Sincerely,
Mitch
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> The form would be for the basic information
> and we could perhaps have a button off to the side for maps & lat./long.
> What do you think of that?
Works for me.
> >Difficulty Rating?
> Yes, I think other people have wanted that too. What should it say?
> It could just be a blank field like the rest.
> Really, I think people could put in there "Cake walk, Easy, Medium, Hard,
> Extra Hard, Treacherous, Don't go here unless your a fool, Etc."
> How does that sound?
You could either have a blank where they could input whatever they wanted, or
you could standardize a bit more by providing radio buttons where they select
either Easy, Moderate, Difficult, or Very Difficult (or something like that)
for each of two categories: Terrain and Clues. Such a form might not be as
clean and simple to look at as one with blank spaces, but might be easier to
fill out. For me, a blank space can be intimidating when I'm not sure how to
fill it. It's easier just to click the button that applies. (This is how I
handled the membership form for my own website at
http://members.aol.com/catsdice )
I agree with Erik that it would be a nice option to be able to attach stamp
images. His idea about being able to designate when several boxes belong to a
series deserves consideration, as well.
Dan, thanks for your continuing efforts to take everyone's ideas into account.
Sincerely,
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[L-USA] Re: Clues form
From: erik/susan davis (davisarc@wcvt.com) |
Date: 1999-01-20 21:16:12 UTC-08:00
Hey Dan'l:
I think the form looks great and makes a fine starting point. I'm
trying to visualize how we can get a simple form that yields pages as
nice as those you and others have done. A couple of additional ideas:
Could there be a place to name an attached gif file for a stamp image?
Perhaps someone (far more clever than I) could set it up so that the
attached gif file would automatically end up, say, centered, between the
letterbox name and the clue, or something similar.
I think having access to the maps would be really neat if it can be made
to work. The Tiger map server IS cumbersome (slowwwwww), but amazingly
accurate, especially for less-rural areas.
And, I really think that a form field for related series of boxes would
be a good feature - helps a searcher locate many in proximity to each
other.
Nice work, Dan'l.
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I think the form looks great and makes a fine starting point. I'm
trying to visualize how we can get a simple form that yields pages as
nice as those you and others have done. A couple of additional ideas:
Could there be a place to name an attached gif file for a stamp image?
Perhaps someone (far more clever than I) could set it up so that the
attached gif file would automatically end up, say, centered, between the
letterbox name and the clue, or something similar.
I think having access to the maps would be really neat if it can be made
to work. The Tiger map server IS cumbersome (slowwwwww), but amazingly
accurate, especially for less-rural areas.
And, I really think that a form field for related series of boxes would
be a good feature - helps a searcher locate many in proximity to each
other.
Nice work, Dan'l.
Erik
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[L-USA] Re: Clues form
From: Randy Hall (randy@mapsurfer.com) |
Date: 1999-01-21 08:49:11 UTC-04:00
Mitch wrote in regards to the web form:
> You could either have a blank where they could input whatever they wanted, or
> you could standardize a bit more by providing radio buttons where they select
> either Easy, Moderate, Difficult, or Very Difficult (or something like that)
> for each of two categories: Terrain and Clues.
I would prefer blanks to "standardization", since, for example, I do not
use this scheme for my difficulty at all. Others may want to do parts of
their clues their own way, and radio buttons and checkboxes tend to get
in the way of that sort of individuality. Originally being pro
standardization myself, I've now come to believe that standards and this
hobby are not a good fit :-)
Randy "the mapsurfer"
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> You could either have a blank where they could input whatever they wanted, or
> you could standardize a bit more by providing radio buttons where they select
> either Easy, Moderate, Difficult, or Very Difficult (or something like that)
> for each of two categories: Terrain and Clues.
I would prefer blanks to "standardization", since, for example, I do not
use this scheme for my difficulty at all. Others may want to do parts of
their clues their own way, and radio buttons and checkboxes tend to get
in the way of that sort of individuality. Originally being pro
standardization myself, I've now come to believe that standards and this
hobby are not a good fit :-)
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[L-USA] Clues form
From: elf (elf@pclink.com) |
Date: 1999-01-21 14:24:32 UTC-06:00
Erik wrote:
>Could there be a place to name an attached gif file for a stamp image?
>...And, I really think that a form field for related series of boxes
would
>be a good feature - helps a searcher locate many in proximity to each
other.
Mitch wrote:
>I agree with Erik that it would be a nice option to be able to attach
stamp
>images. His idea about being able to designate when several boxes
belong
>to a series deserves consideration, as well.
Randy wrote:
>I would prefer blanks to "standardization", since, for example, I do
not
>use this scheme for my difficulty at all. Others may want to do parts
of
>their clues their own way, and radio buttons and checkboxes tend to get
>in the way of that sort of individuality.
I write:
I'm inclined to stay away from boxes, checkboxes, pull-down lists, etc.
I think it may distract from the simplicity and the flexibility. But a
place to
name a stamp image is just a matter of how. Can we discuss how to do
that?
What would that look like and what is supposed to happen when you put
in the name of your image and click Publish?
Box series:
I wonder if this should be on the maps link. Remember I suggested
putting
a button off to the side for selecting a map? It seems to me that for
multiple
boxes in one location you will have one map that is used for all of
them.
Perhaps then when adding a box to a series you would select the map at
the
same time. Or at least you would know a predetermined location that
already
has a clue and/or map. I'm just thinking out loud here... What would
you do
to recognize that it is a series you are potentailly interested in
adding to?
If there exists a series already how would you know? If there doesn't
exist
a series and you want there to be one how would you initiate it?
I'm not trying to make things complicated. I'm just trying to determine
what
this will look like and how it will work in order to keep it simple and
usable
for an average person. Maybe there should just be a question you are
asked
after you click publish: "Is this letterbox part of a series?"
Make comments please.
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>Could there be a place to name an attached gif file for a stamp image?
>...And, I really think that a form field for related series of boxes
would
>be a good feature - helps a searcher locate many in proximity to each
other.
Mitch wrote:
>I agree with Erik that it would be a nice option to be able to attach
stamp
>images. His idea about being able to designate when several boxes
belong
>to a series deserves consideration, as well.
Randy wrote:
>I would prefer blanks to "standardization", since, for example, I do
not
>use this scheme for my difficulty at all. Others may want to do parts
of
>their clues their own way, and radio buttons and checkboxes tend to get
>in the way of that sort of individuality.
I write:
I'm inclined to stay away from boxes, checkboxes, pull-down lists, etc.
I think it may distract from the simplicity and the flexibility. But a
place to
name a stamp image is just a matter of how. Can we discuss how to do
that?
What would that look like and what is supposed to happen when you put
in the name of your image and click Publish?
Box series:
I wonder if this should be on the maps link. Remember I suggested
putting
a button off to the side for selecting a map? It seems to me that for
multiple
boxes in one location you will have one map that is used for all of
them.
Perhaps then when adding a box to a series you would select the map at
the
same time. Or at least you would know a predetermined location that
already
has a clue and/or map. I'm just thinking out loud here... What would
you do
to recognize that it is a series you are potentailly interested in
adding to?
If there exists a series already how would you know? If there doesn't
exist
a series and you want there to be one how would you initiate it?
I'm not trying to make things complicated. I'm just trying to determine
what
this will look like and how it will work in order to keep it simple and
usable
for an average person. Maybe there should just be a question you are
asked
after you click publish: "Is this letterbox part of a series?"
Make comments please.
Daniel
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[L-USA] Re: Clues form
From: erik/susan davis (davisarc@wcvt.com) |
Date: 1999-01-22 20:10:07 UTC-08:00
>
> What would that look like and what is supposed to happen when you put
> in the name of your image and click Publish?
>
Well, the answer is better coming from a programmer, as I imtimated when
I brought this up. Looking at the process from the outside,
non-programmer's point of view, here was my assumption:
Someplace on the form is a field, which says:
"If you have a gif-format image file to send, fill in the file name
here:"
Hopefully, it could be made to work like the attachment option on a
browser and somehow tag the file along with the form info when you
"publish", i.e., send the form data as an e-mail to the Letterbox
server.
Hopefully further, the same programming exercise that enables the
server's program to extract the info in the form fields and convert it
into a nifty graphic page layout can also see the field that has a file
name in it, and place the named file within the HTML codes so that the
image appears.
Basically, and this speaks also to the "series" comment - I'm really
happy with the look of the "Appalachian Trail" page of letterboxes (VT).
Now, I think someone else ( or I) might likely want to add a box in the
vicinity. If so, can the state map go from (2) to (3) automatically? The
series" box would tell the program where to put it.
I realize I'm rehashing stuff I already said, with precoious little new
stuff said - in that regard, it sounds an awful lot like the main news
item these days, so I'll shut up for now.
Anyhow, thanks for taking the lead here, Dan'l.
Erik
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> What would that look like and what is supposed to happen when you put
> in the name of your image and click Publish?
>
Well, the answer is better coming from a programmer, as I imtimated when
I brought this up. Looking at the process from the outside,
non-programmer's point of view, here was my assumption:
Someplace on the form is a field, which says:
"If you have a gif-format image file to send, fill in the file name
here:"
Hopefully, it could be made to work like the attachment option on a
browser and somehow tag the file along with the form info when you
"publish", i.e., send the form data as an e-mail to the Letterbox
server.
Hopefully further, the same programming exercise that enables the
server's program to extract the info in the form fields and convert it
into a nifty graphic page layout can also see the field that has a file
name in it, and place the named file within the HTML codes so that the
image appears.
Basically, and this speaks also to the "series" comment - I'm really
happy with the look of the "Appalachian Trail" page of letterboxes (VT).
Now, I think someone else ( or I) might likely want to add a box in the
vicinity. If so, can the state map go from (2) to (3) automatically? The
series" box would tell the program where to put it.
I realize I'm rehashing stuff I already said, with precoious little new
stuff said - in that regard, it sounds an awful lot like the main news
item these days, so I'll shut up for now.
Anyhow, thanks for taking the lead here, Dan'l.
Erik
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[L-USA] Re: Clues form
From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) |
Date: 1999-01-24 02:07:44 UTC-06:00
Hi,
I've been kind of waiting on this response because it was a little deep.
But tonight I was on my way back home on my bike (yes, I'm an intrepid
bicyclist, neither sleet nor snow nor dark of night, etc...), and I was
thinking, "I should write to Erik and show my support...", I have had
you on my mind especially lately. Well, when I got home there was a
card from you. It was nice.
You've had a tough year, but then you've kept up your spirit so
wonderfully. You go Erik! Funny how God uses trials to inspire us.
erik/susan davis wrote:
> Someplace on the form is a field, which says:
> "If you have a gif-format image file to send, fill in the file name
> here:"
That much is a given I suppose.
> Hopefully, it could be made to work like the attachment option on a
> browser and somehow tag the file along with the form info when you
> "publish", i.e., send the form data as an e-mail to the Letterbox
> server.
Uusally the option is to do it that way, OR attach from the clipboard (your
computer's memory) OR some other way. We have to think about how to do
this some more. Randy is a good one to ask I think. Randy has many times
told me he is willing to help with this. I'm counting on it because he
is VERY sharp.
> Hopefully further, the same programming exercise that enables the
> server's program to extract the info in the form fields and convert it
> into a nifty graphic page layout can also see the field that has a file
> name in it, and place the named file within the HTML codes so that the
> image appears.
You're getting ahead of me here. How this part works will depend on how
we do the other part... but, in essence, you are correct.
> Basically, and this speaks also to the "series" comment - I'm really
> happy with the look of the "Appalachian Trail" page of letterboxes (VT).
> Now, I think someone else ( or I) might likely want to add a box in the
> vicinity. If so, can the state map go from (2) to (3) automatically? The
> series" box would tell the program where to put it.
Yes, and I wrote more about this in my other post. Somehow you need to
know up front if it is a series you are working with (if you are adding
a box to an existing series.) This requires some though also.
I'm remembering all the milestones on how the process will work. When we
are through deciding/visualizing it I'll get together with those who can
help on just the technical issues (how to make it a reality), and we will
implement it. But that may be a while yet. And it may change 3 or 4 times
in the interim. That's how these things tend to work.
> I realize I'm rehashing stuff I already said, with precoious little new
> stuff said - in that regard, it sounds an awful lot like the main news
> item these days, so I'll shut up for now.
>
> Anyhow, thanks for taking the lead here, Dan'l.
You guys lead. I'm a lackie.
Or if I do lead its because I learn from you all how to do it.
Thanks for the nice card. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
I've been corresponding privately with Bonita (Massachusetts). She's a
kind-hearted person.
Take care,
Daniel
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I've been kind of waiting on this response because it was a little deep.
But tonight I was on my way back home on my bike (yes, I'm an intrepid
bicyclist, neither sleet nor snow nor dark of night, etc...), and I was
thinking, "I should write to Erik and show my support...", I have had
you on my mind especially lately. Well, when I got home there was a
card from you. It was nice.
You've had a tough year, but then you've kept up your spirit so
wonderfully. You go Erik! Funny how God uses trials to inspire us.
erik/susan davis wrote:
> Someplace on the form is a field, which says:
> "If you have a gif-format image file to send, fill in the file name
> here:"
That much is a given I suppose.
> Hopefully, it could be made to work like the attachment option on a
> browser and somehow tag the file along with the form info when you
> "publish", i.e., send the form data as an e-mail to the Letterbox
> server.
Uusally the option is to do it that way, OR attach from the clipboard (your
computer's memory) OR some other way. We have to think about how to do
this some more. Randy is a good one to ask I think. Randy has many times
told me he is willing to help with this. I'm counting on it because he
is VERY sharp.
> Hopefully further, the same programming exercise that enables the
> server's program to extract the info in the form fields and convert it
> into a nifty graphic page layout can also see the field that has a file
> name in it, and place the named file within the HTML codes so that the
> image appears.
You're getting ahead of me here. How this part works will depend on how
we do the other part... but, in essence, you are correct.
> Basically, and this speaks also to the "series" comment - I'm really
> happy with the look of the "Appalachian Trail" page of letterboxes (VT).
> Now, I think someone else ( or I) might likely want to add a box in the
> vicinity. If so, can the state map go from (2) to (3) automatically? The
> series" box would tell the program where to put it.
Yes, and I wrote more about this in my other post. Somehow you need to
know up front if it is a series you are working with (if you are adding
a box to an existing series.) This requires some though also.
I'm remembering all the milestones on how the process will work. When we
are through deciding/visualizing it I'll get together with those who can
help on just the technical issues (how to make it a reality), and we will
implement it. But that may be a while yet. And it may change 3 or 4 times
in the interim. That's how these things tend to work.
> I realize I'm rehashing stuff I already said, with precoious little new
> stuff said - in that regard, it sounds an awful lot like the main news
> item these days, so I'll shut up for now.
>
> Anyhow, thanks for taking the lead here, Dan'l.
You guys lead. I'm a lackie.
Or if I do lead its because I learn from you all how to do it.
Thanks for the nice card. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
I've been corresponding privately with Bonita (Massachusetts). She's a
kind-hearted person.
Take care,
Daniel
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